Concrete5 vs Wordpress - persuading clients, but then I just saw DIVI for Wordpress.
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I know where I stand, totally pro C5 for many reasons, and always for full custom builds, but sometimes selling C5 to clients is difficult as the volume of chatter online about Wordpress and the number of affiliate blog posts means they insist o Wordpress. I recently hmade a 20 minute video just to try and show the merits of Wordpress. Lest you are at all interested it is here.
http://youtu.be/NAcqYGWN0Oo
However in looking at Wordpressd themes off the shelf (an area Wordpress is definitely stronger in), I came across this -https://www.elegantthemesdemo.com/?et_fb=1...
I hate to say it but C5 could definitley draw some inspiration from their WYSIWYG interface. The lines around rollover areas, the more block colour making it easier to see what can go where, and the plus buttons in the middle of elements as opposed to fiddling around in the bottom corners of elements trying to grab stuff.
Just thought I would mention it.....
http://youtu.be/NAcqYGWN0Oo
However in looking at Wordpressd themes off the shelf (an area Wordpress is definitely stronger in), I came across this -https://www.elegantthemesdemo.com/?et_fb=1...
I hate to say it but C5 could definitley draw some inspiration from their WYSIWYG interface. The lines around rollover areas, the more block colour making it easier to see what can go where, and the plus buttons in the middle of elements as opposed to fiddling around in the bottom corners of elements trying to grab stuff.
Just thought I would mention it.....
Oh don't get me wrong, I am totally pro C5 and find Wordpress a bore, I
don't custom design in it and left it behind years ago.
I have had to come back to it for a client and find myself trawling through
generic over designed and cluttered themes in a bid to find something. I
might actually just decline the job as the prospect of returning to
Wordpress is depressing me.
I just through the CSS styling of there drag and drop was interesting but
agree its not a like for like. I haven't tried 5.8 but wonder if the block
/ area highlighting UX might be clearer in that. I added the plugin from
the addons which can help but it isn't its best.
Its just boring to have to try and convince clients against Wordpress,
hence I shared that vid, in case anyone need as a quick side by side
comparison.
Mob: 07812183482
http://www.burbleweb.com
don't custom design in it and left it behind years ago.
I have had to come back to it for a client and find myself trawling through
generic over designed and cluttered themes in a bid to find something. I
might actually just decline the job as the prospect of returning to
Wordpress is depressing me.
I just through the CSS styling of there drag and drop was interesting but
agree its not a like for like. I haven't tried 5.8 but wonder if the block
/ area highlighting UX might be clearer in that. I added the plugin from
the addons which can help but it isn't its best.
Its just boring to have to try and convince clients against Wordpress,
hence I shared that vid, in case anyone need as a quick side by side
comparison.
Mob: 07812183482
http://www.burbleweb.com
Yes I agree, it's hard to convince them. I mean if a client already has experience with Wordpress and wants to stick with it then fine. Or if they have specific needs and with C5 it would mean almost 100% custom built while Wordpress has add-ons available for that then ok.
But when it is just because the name is more famous. That's a problem.
Now another problem I notice often is we, developers and designers, always present C5's aspects that are probably not very interesting to most users.
I know wysiwyg is appealing to some but I also see lots of companies using c5 posting ads to get someone to add content to their site. Either they don't know how or they don't care or both.
I hear C5 is easy to use and flexible but then the client doesn't get in depth training and has to rely on yet another freelancer or agency when it's time to expand the site. They don't see the flexibility.
Honestly, I never had to convince a client to go for C5. All my clients are already c5 users. But it seems to me we are always trying to convince potential clients with stuff which is mainly of interest to us.
What's the business relevance of C5? Does it keep budgets low? Dow it allow easy scaling? Does it make team-work easier? Is it safer? Does it allow to do more than Wordpress without a line of code?
I think those are the elements we should sell, not the wysiwyg interface.
But when it is just because the name is more famous. That's a problem.
Now another problem I notice often is we, developers and designers, always present C5's aspects that are probably not very interesting to most users.
I know wysiwyg is appealing to some but I also see lots of companies using c5 posting ads to get someone to add content to their site. Either they don't know how or they don't care or both.
I hear C5 is easy to use and flexible but then the client doesn't get in depth training and has to rely on yet another freelancer or agency when it's time to expand the site. They don't see the flexibility.
Honestly, I never had to convince a client to go for C5. All my clients are already c5 users. But it seems to me we are always trying to convince potential clients with stuff which is mainly of interest to us.
What's the business relevance of C5? Does it keep budgets low? Dow it allow easy scaling? Does it make team-work easier? Is it safer? Does it allow to do more than Wordpress without a line of code?
I think those are the elements we should sell, not the wysiwyg interface.
Yeah - all good selling points.
I am design / code and build all myself as a one stop shop and find the
biggest bonus is I can custom design in Sketch and implement into C5 in a
way I just can't begin to offer in Wordpress. It is that ability to custom
build to a budget I think is why I like it most.
I do find hardly any clients end up editing their sites but they feel the
must be able to do so at first so I am starting to problem them on really
what they want to be able to edit.
The one thing I get really sick of is having to sort the client permissions
at the end of a build. I wish the C5 install cam e with a few more default
profiles other that super admin and registered user. As I generally just
want a basic editor / admin who can add and edit but doesn't get access to
all the complicated stuff. Am I alone? It seems to take a disproportionate
amount of time to sort that element I find.
Mob: 07812183482
http://www.burbleweb.com
I am design / code and build all myself as a one stop shop and find the
biggest bonus is I can custom design in Sketch and implement into C5 in a
way I just can't begin to offer in Wordpress. It is that ability to custom
build to a budget I think is why I like it most.
I do find hardly any clients end up editing their sites but they feel the
must be able to do so at first so I am starting to problem them on really
what they want to be able to edit.
The one thing I get really sick of is having to sort the client permissions
at the end of a build. I wish the C5 install cam e with a few more default
profiles other that super admin and registered user. As I generally just
want a basic editor / admin who can add and edit but doesn't get access to
all the complicated stuff. Am I alone? It seems to take a disproportionate
amount of time to sort that element I find.
Mob: 07812183482
http://www.burbleweb.com
The example you give however is not totally relevant. I only tried it quickly but that's a markup builder that allows you to add columns and rows and stuff like that. Concrete5 has to deal with blocks and templates and custom styling...
What's more, you need third party add-ons to do what C5 does out of the box. More to update, more external stuff to rely on, and absolutely no way to weight in the way they do stuff and the direction they give their add-on.
Is there room for Concrete5 improvement? Definitely.
Is there anything in the Wordpress world that compares? I don't think so.