Remo I would have to agree with you. Even tho I am still newbie of concrete5 I think concrete5 would have won. Spending 90 hours to do what they did with the WP site is a bit long in my opinion. The only feature I saw that we don't have easily installed out of the box on the WP site is a blog. But that is coming soon (I hope).

None of those sites had a forum (coming soon for Concrete5 I am hoping). For the number of hours they spent on Drupal is almost ludicrous, same with Joomla. The longest issue I could see with what they did was the custom theme. All of the other items were already in the box.

I have followed along with some tutorials for Joomla and had a custom template built in less than 30 hours. The placement and setting of the plug-ins and other tools took less than 5 hours.

So for having a team of 3 members each, sure took them along time to do the job. In real peoples timing that is less than one week of work. For pay, less than 100 hours would have cost a client about 4000.00 dollars at 40.00 an hour. A lot of design companies would have probably charged more. But this was a competition so you definitely have to take that into consideration.

The only things I wouldn't know how to do within a few minutes using the standard features are:
- integrate mailing list
- rate a page (would have to build a block)
- create w3c valid output

All the other things, including the blog (which is just a page list in the concept they wrote), the wiki style page, photo gallery, forum, poll, directory (another page list with custom attributes) are available out of the box

Jeez. Gimme 30 hours I'm done - alone!

Remo - Two things

1. Going back to one of your posts last week and I didn't see a response and also, I forgot to monitor (duh). You mentioned something about the directory structure being a mess. Can you (or did you) elaborate on that comment?

2. I have seen some templates in Joomla that are meant to be in the context of Barrier Freedom. I like this concept. It doesn't just apply to Joomla, it pertains to all web communications.
(for those of you that don't know what
Barrier Freedom is, its a concept for
web design for ALL people. Mainly, for
those persons that are handicapped in
one form or another. The main work
around that is making the best in-roads
to Barrier Freedom is pure XHMTL/CSS.
Lots of good work going on in the
arena.)
I am not sure exactly how this would be applied to Concrete 5 but eventually some of us should look into that (pertaining to accessability (sp).

1. I'm not sure what discussion you mean. I wrote that I don't like the structure of concrete5.org. I prefer something more common, but Franz told me that they're going to reorganize it anyways..

2. It already works. There are just a few minor things. Building a pure xhtml/css theme isn't a big deal, but building a site with lots of complex blocks and custom templates might be a problem right now... addHeaderItem is a keyword for this

yeah i saw that, think its part of SxSW... we totally should do it.. we'll come back later and re-do it perhaps...I'm glad to see theres someone else organizing that type of thing, its an idea we've tossed around for some time.

how do you intend to re-do this?

Organizing it on your own has one problem - a lot of people won't believe you because the result would be too impressive to believe...

yeah i can't possibly manage anything more in life. I wouldn't want to run the event..

I could imagine doing the concrete5 version of it and submitting it up somewhere with some screencasts of the highlights and a breakdown of our approach... kinda like a "woops, sorry we couldn't make it to your party - here's our present.."