This thread will go nowhere good. Modules are pay per add-ons as they should be. People have to put food on the table and get paid for time worked.

In all honesty and to be completely frank, if you think 100$ is over priced for online development and deployment then you should turn your machine off and go back to the fridge for something else.

Site that are built with CMS systems like these, even this one, routinely cost more then $10,000 for deployment and design. The last company I worked at paid well over $40,000 for their two corporate sites from a local outlet and neither of them included e-Commerce or any likeness there of.

I am for free, as in beer, open source code for what it stands for. For what it allows individuals to do, I do however firmly believe that people should be aptly compensated for time spent on service rendered.

You shouldn't be reselling purchased modules, these modules should belong to your client, they pay for them when they want the features, they own them. There is absolutely nothing worse then vendor lock-in. If my independent clients want to go somewhere else, its theirs, they own, they take it, they do what they want without an expectation of support.


Thats my $0.02

Totally agree with aeroclown here. One thing that angang mentioned that I would like to see though is an unlimited use license (or 'Developer's License').

i like the idea of the PayPal donate button for free add-ons. no opinion on the unlimited license thing.

for the most part though i agree with aeroclown though. i've started trying to sell some add-ons independently through here, which tend to take a lot of time to get really tight, and then you put in a lot of time afterwards doing support. if i were to divide how much i've made off them by the number of hours i've put in, i think i'd be better off thus far busing tables for minimum wage. not that it's really about the money. mostly doing them cause i enjoy it and cause i want to see concrete5 grow. but still, you're complaining about spending $100 on a system that's probably taken tens of thousands of hours of coding? personally i think that's a damn good deal.

I'm not going to talk about the pricing, that's getting boring.

- Donate button is a nice idea..
- Unlimited would be nice or..
- ..at least a "pack", 5-pack, 10-pack with discount.

From a customer view, unlimited licenses might be nice but at some point not fair. Big companies would profit a lot, small less..

But paying for each site is time consuming and annoying. Paypal also gets more fees if we have lots of transactions. Paying once to get 10 licenses would be a lot easier

Totally agree with you Remo.

The subject is flexibility... by adding more choice for the customers.

@aeroclown
Reassure me...Concrete5 users have the right to have small projects paid less?


Sorry, but it seems to me that there is an elistist point of view.
And my proposal is to about the great sentence "less is more".
Less expensive = more clients
more clients = less expensive

Concrete5 is really fantastic (a big bravo for these great developer masterpiece)
But Concrete5 is not alone on the market and to be popularized, the best way is to give him the "less is more" philosophy".
Are you afraid about more fans, more customers ?

Less expensive doesn't mean the business model of poor.... Especially since a licence model more flexible can give more :
- one time licence
- 3-5 pack licence
- yearly licence
- lifetime licence
- donation (i think it's really important to add this)
- and why not a special hourly paid support on the service place ?

I am not really talking about price, but about model and flexibility approach to match the big CMS market (Competitors as silverstripe, wordpress+flutter are not so bad).

"Sorry, but it seems to me that there is an elistist point of view.
And my proposal is to about the great sentence "less is more".
Less expensive = more clients
more clients = less expensive"

Well less expensive = more clients = more support. Possibly less profit? You have to way in all the factors. As someone who purchases blocks, I am also one that realizes the amount of time some of these guys stick into supporting the blocks. More sales at a discount does not always mean more profit.

very true.

I think you need to draw the line on value somewhere. Although I understand the principle that you are proposing ... that lower prices mean more customers ... I still think that selling quality goods for practically nothing can instill a weird mindset in consumers ... as if they are entitled in some way. I remember when Concrete wasn't free ... perhaps this mindset is at work here? We expect to receive enterprise level quality for nothing, when enterprise level demands a lot more than that if it isn't to be a charity.

I agree with you... This is why i indicated this :

- and why not a special hourly paid support on the service place ?

so, it's not about the price anymore?

Have you ever tried to launch a small product like an addon for free and get money by special hourly paid support??

I guess not, because there are a lot of issues with this idea:
- sometimes a developer doesn't know how much time it needs to fix a problem
- customers want to know how expensive something is
- it supports bad quality software

there are a lot more issues like this.


They only thing I think which might work up to a certain point is this: Add an optional field in every support ticket/feature request where the customer can say "I pay $50 if this is fixed until next week". Another customer could then add more money to this issue ..

But again, there are some issues:
- Developers will wait a long time until they fix the issues, hoping someone is willing to pay for it.
- Customers get upset if a developer added a feature requested by customer A for free and they paid for it..


Overall, I don't get the feeling you really thought about what you requested. It just seems to want addons for less money...


Think a bit about the problems of your suggestions and post them as well - makes you look smarter. When you post a pro/contra people help to come up with ideas to avoid the problems.

In fact, my point of view is not that the addons are too expensive.

I have no particular need of addons...

What makes me react, is the rigidity of the license.
Really!

The problem is : How to express the idea that the license deserves a lot more flexibility.
My ecommerce example is as an argument in expressing what a client might think.

And in this regard, comparing with the bulk of CMS on the market, my example does not seem bad ... $100, this is not what is most competitive... But again, the problem is not the price level, but at the license that could be more engaging.
I'm not saying this because I want some cheap, but I am just describing the reality of the market!


For the support problem... I'm sure there is a good way...

For example something like two licences :
- 1 year support
- no support

So the less expensive = more clients = more support ; this will/could be a real gold mine OR no time lost.

Remo, your idea about the optionnal field is a great reflexion (more advanced than my simple suggestion).
Here is my suggestion :
- the customer ask for support.
- the developer proposes a solution whith a quote
- to reach this quote, the community (customers + developpers) have access to a piggy bank where people interested should place a certain sum of money until the amount requested by the developer is reached.

Presented like this, it may seem utopian, but with a well-strung and easy to understand, it could become a real market for development.

concrete5 the Add-on if I think it's more expensive, zencart and as magento cheap (or free) that I can just use the program with open source?

thing something was lost in translation there...

lol yea,

I think Kino was trying to say (correct me if im wrong)

Concrete's addons are expensive compared to zencart magneto etc, then i have no idea XD

Mike/Mnkras